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[HH Ras Anderson]

The Atteran delegation accepts the following of Sir Iain's proposal:

Quote:

The 'Free Citizens' Ezboard remains the property of HH Ras Anderson. It will, however, continue on permanent loan to the Free Republic (and its successors). While the Free Republic remains part of the United Republic of Tymaria, the Ezboard will be maintained by HH Ras Anderson as a read-only archive under its sole sovereignty. HH Ras Anderson will therefore immediately ensure that the Ezboard is put in a read-only mode. Should the Free Republic (or its successors) ever cease to be part of the United Republic of Tymaria, it will have first refusal over reusing the Ezboard in its entirety. If it does not wish to do so, then HH Ras Anderson will continue to maintain it as a read-only archive. Should HH Ras Anderson ever wish to transfer ownership of the Ezboard to another person, then the Free Republic (or it successors) must then make a new arrangement with the new owner.



By accepting this agreement, all parties to it agree that it is enforceable in all of their respective micronational jurisdictions.

In addition, to the above, the Atteran delegation proposes the following:



1. Tymaria mentions in full detail that Babkha was indeed spying during the January incedent, and that the events in Tymaria were actually a means to rid Tymaria of Austi Scot and Lord Diga because of their willingness to follow the letter of the Tymarian Constitution rather than follow mob rule. In addition, the Tymarian government will explain that Lord Diga's actions in Morovia were to stop Babkha from creating another satellite, not to attack Morovia despite what lies were told after the event. Tymaria is to make this statement in LOSS and the LOM.



2. Tymaria acknowledges Atteran joint ownership of the board, as well as the right of the Atteran Imperial Government to use the ezboard as an outpost for any reason.



3. Tymaria sends Attera 7,000 Tymarks a month for as long as this agreement stays in effect, and if the Free Republic goes independent, then, a payment plan will be set up with the Atteran Imperial Government.



These additional clauses are non-negotiable and the Atteran Imperial Government gives the Tymarian Republic 48 hours from the posting of this offer to accept, otherwise Attera will withdraw from the conference and there will be no more talk about any concessions on the part of Prime Minister Anderson on this issue.  Period.  The Atteran Imperial Government would also like to take this opportunity to reiterate its stance that should any forcible means be used to take possession of the ezboard in question, Attera will regard this as the same as an attack on her own soil and will hold the Tymarian Republic in general responsible.

 

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[Kuralyov]

Unfortunately, only Sir Iain can say what is non-negotiable, and what isn't. Also, if Attera leaves, then (correct me if I'm wrong, Sir Iain), won't they have to agree to whatever this conferences decrees in their absence?



Also I would like to see how your point one has anythign to do with the status of the FR's EZBoard.

Long Live the Revolution!

Vadim Pavlovich Kuralyov

Czech Out My Website Here!

"ZIING! The extra 'I' means extra 'ZING'!" - Pokey the Penguin

Edited by: Kuralyov  at: 4/25/02 10:56:27 pm

[HH Ras Anderson]

Maybe it doesn't, but its still part of our offer.  And this was simply a place to notify the tymarian gov't of our offer.  This offer is in a way outside the official conference.  simply inform your gov't of what I am saying (use the copy and paste) and I wont mind if this post is deleted.

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[Sir Iain de Vembria]

The Atteran delegation is perfectly entitled to make their own offers, and the Tymarian delegation is likewise entitled to either accept them or not. And vice versa.



The thread where I posted my resolution was temporarily locked due to various technical difficulties yesterday. It is now unlocked. May I respectfully remind all delegates that they still need to either accept or decline my proposal.



I have two additional comments to make:

Firstly, the offer that the Atteran delegation has presented is flawed as in certain places it is self-contradictory and in one place it is entirely self-defeating. The Atteran delegation should be aware that as the final agreement arising from these negotiations is legally binding on both parties, it therefore should be capable of being upheld in a court of law.

Secondly, I require the Atteran delegation to explain the continuing absence of HH Ras Bitwoded Charles Beard, given that he is now their chief negotiator and has not yet announced his presence at these negotiations.

Sir Iain
Knight-Councillor of The Barony of Treesia & Fabon,

Discuss micronations and read the news at the Micronational News Network

[HH Ras Anderson]

Ras Beard is having real life difficulties, and has been unable to attend.  I have managed to contact him and he apologizes for his absence, but his situation is not likely to change in the next few days.

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[HH Ras Anderson]

I have compiled the offer into one big proposal:



The Atteran delegation accepts the following of Sir Iain's proposal:



1.  The Free Citizens Ezboard is and always will be the property of HH Ras Anderson the legitimate owner.  Both signatories acknowledge this as fact and pledge to refrain from claiming anything to the contrary unless HH Ras Anderson voluntarily gives up control of said Ezboard.



2.  The aforementioned Ezboard will be rented to the Free Republic sub-state of Tymaria on the following conditions:



2.1. Tymaria mentions in full detail that Babkha was indeed spying during the January incedent, and that the events in Tymaria were actually a means to rid Tymaria of Austi Scot and Lord Diga because of their willingness to follow the letter of the Tymarian Constitution rather than follow mob rule. In addition, the Tymarian government will explain that Lord Diga's actions in Morovia were to stop Babkha from creating another satellite, not to attack Morovia despite what lies were told after the event. Tymaria is to make this statement in LOSS and the LOM.



2.2. Tymaria acknowledges Atteran joint ownership of the board, as well as the right of the Atteran Imperial Government to use the ezboard as an outpost for any reason.



2.3. Tymaria sends Attera 7,000 Tymarks a month for as long as this agreement stays in effect, and if the Free Republic goes independent, then, a payment plan will be set up with the Atteran Imperial Government.



3. This deal will last for 30 days, afterwards it may be renewed with the consent of both parties.



I apologize for the apparent lack of sense made in my previous offer post.  I meant to show that I accepted most of the principles of Sir Iain's offer (allowing the free citizens use of the ezboard while retaining full ownership) plus some extra conditions the Atteran Imperial Government wishes to see in a treaty.

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[Sir Iain de Vembria]

Ras Anderson,



Thank you for your response. I sincerely hope that Ras Beard's problems are sorted out as soon as possible.



With regard to your latest proposal, I suggest that it requires some amendments to increase the chances of it being acceptable to the Tymarian delegation and also of it being workable, namely:



Section 2.1: IMO this section is redundant due to Lord Diga's official statements regarding the Tymaria/Babkha/Morovia affair at the beginning of February.



Section 2.2: This is impossible as you have stated that you are the owner of the 'Free Citizens' board in Section 1.



Section 2.3: This is also impossible unless an foreign exchange agreement has been reached between the United Republic of Tymaria and the Atteran Federation, which would presumably only occur after official recognition between the two micronations, which is unlikely to occur soon because of the Atteran Isolation Policy, and also given that Attera is not a member of the ICEO, and the ICEO has been suspended, and mostly because Attera does not own the said Ezboard.



Having said that it is quite likely that most of Section 2 might be in at least partial conflict with the Atteran Isolation Policy.



Section 3: What is the point of having these negotiations if the whole problem will occur again and quite probably ad infinitum?



I also fail to see why you are proposing conditons that invlove the Atteran Government, as you have previously informed me that they are 'officially uninterested' in this matter.



Ras Anderson, I regret having to say this, but I must ask you to bear in mind that the final agreement arising form these negotiations can only be between yourself, as the undisputed owner of the 'Free Citizens' Ezboard, and the Government of the Tymarian State of the Free Republic. If you are at all serious about bringing a swift and successful conclusion to these negotiations, I must request that you start submitting proposals that actually have a chance of being agreed upon and upheld. If you don't, you will leave me with no option but to exercise my right to impose my own settlement on both parties, and in which no-one else will have any say at all. In such an instance I can assure you that the Barony of Treesia and Fabon, as the host of these negotiations, will be more than willing to support all lawful attempts to uphold such an agreement when necessary.



Of course, if you would like me to impose a settlement in lieu of any other proposals, I will be happy to oblige.

Sir Iain
Knight-Councillor of The Barony of Treesia & Fabon,

Discuss micronations and read the news at the Micronational News Network

[HH Ras Anderson]

I'm sorry, Sir Iain, I'm under a great deal of strain at the place I am writing these proposals (school, where news of the shooting at a German school has provoked a great deal of panic and stress amongst this easily frightened - though perhaps not unreasonably - student body).  I finally have some time away from all the psyched kids and I think I can write this all out in a halfway intelligent manner.



Section 2.1 I have been informed by an official in the Tymarian gov't that this will be unnecessary since they will comply with the request in section 2.1 irregardless of the status of this treaty.



Section 2.2 scratch this one, and thank you for catching the error (I hurridly copied and pasted it w/o thinking during the general commotion this morning).



Section 2.3 We're not asking for Tymarian recognition, only the Tymarbucks.  As for Atteran policy, I have discussed it with the Atteran Imperial Government and they have decided to pass a resolution allowing for the exception of this payment plan to the Isolation policy if this treaty is signed.



Section 3 This is in place so that either party can renegotiate if they feel they're tired of participating with the other (I can terminate their access to the ezboard, and they can waive their right to use it and cease sending Attera the cash).  Also, the purpose of these negotiations as I understand them are to produce a basis for some kind of solution, so that things aren't 'in limbo'.  Whatever agreement comes from this conference must be renegotiable in order to be fair and clause 3 provides for that.



As for the Atteran Imperial Government, when I say it is 'uninterested' I was trying to impress that it feels this issue is petty and not worth fighting over, not that it doesn't want any involvement.   The Atteran Imperial Government has agreed to be mentioned in this treaty as it will provide the legal basis of my side of the deal (I'm not some 'rogue' individual, I am the effectie Atteran chief of state and as such any agreement will involve Attera somehow).  Also, the Atteran Imperial Government has no objection to being the beneficiary of clauses for Tymarian concessions as their part of the deal (as someone proposing a deal, don't I have the right to allocate Tymarian concessions towards a party other than myself?  It's like signing a check over to some third party).



Furthermore, we do not see why any of these proposals shouldn't have 'any chance of being agreed upon'.  The only barrier is on the side that constantly seeks to change ownership of the board, when even you have admitted that this is unacceptable (allowing them the use of the board is what we are here to negotiate).



I will post an updated copy of the proposal below.

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[HH Ras Anderson]

1. The Free Citizens Ezboard is and always will be the property of HH Ras Anderson the legitimate owner. Both signatories acknowledge this as fact and pledge to refrain from claiming anything to the contrary unless HH Ras Anderson voluntarily gives up control of said Ezboard.



2.1 The aforementioned Ezboard will be rented to the Free Republic sub-state of Tymaria on the following condition:



2.2 The United Republic of Tymaria sends the Attera Federation 7,000 Tymarks a month for as long as this agreement stays in effect, and if the Free Republic becomes independent, then, a payment plan will be set up with the Atteran Imperial Government in seperate negotiations.



3.1 This deal will last for 30 days, afterwards it may be renewed with the consent of both parties.  

3.2 The Atteran party may void the payments by terminating Tymarian access to the ezboard with 7 days prior notice (this is overriden in emergency situations where the Ezboard itself is in serious danger of being attacked, hacked, etc.).  The Tymarian party may terminate the agreement with 7 days prior notice, after which it may cease payments.  

3.3 If either party terminates the agreement, both shall still recognize the legitimate ownership of the ezboard by HH Ras Anderson.    Other terms of the agreement may be re-negotiated.

 

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.

[Sir Iain de Vembria]

Thank you for your response, Ras Anderson. Please accept my sympathies for your current RL situation.



I recommend Ras Anderson's latest proposal as a good potential compromise, bearing in mind his associated comments. May I please have the Tymarian delegation's response to it?

Sir Iain
Knight-Councillor of The Barony of Treesia & Fabon,

Discuss micronations and read the news at the Micronational News Network

[HH Ras Anderson]

Please save your sympathies for those who have truly lost in this tragedy (i'm referring to the German school massacre [www.cnn.com]).  But I wont dwell on the subject as this is not the place.

HH Ras Oscar Anderson
Prime Minister of the Atteran Federation
Ras of Bautchii-Sedera
What I am, you shall be;
What you are, I was.