Discussion about Automating an Economic System

[Trevon Andarosel]

It took my a while to figure it out myself .



I think he means to keep track of all economic transactions (money, goods, resources) of a country in one bank, combine these data to statistics of how well the country is doing (in an ecomonic view) and base the value of the currency on these statistics.



Trevon.

The storyteller of Ex, Umbagollah


Ilotim ilo arelisin il parduvile arelis te arelisin
The truth is just too true to be true for everyone

[Sander042802]

Could you repeat that in Dutch please



no it seems to be a good idea. But then we need a standard to calculate these statistics..

	Sander Dieleman Chancellor of the Micronation of Pacary http://www.pacary.tk/ http://www.pacaryforums.tk/ VP of Operations of Bobbesian Airways

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[Ken Avonts]

I don't think this is such a good idea. I don't like this kind of virtual inflations. Why not use the idea already discussed (I cannot find it back): every nation gets 1000 inter-micronational currency. Each nation can print as much money as they want. Every national currency will be easy to convert to another one.



e.g. Nation A prints 2000 units; so 1 inter-unit = 2 A-units. Nation B prints 3000 units, and later they print 2000 more; so 1 inter-unit = 5 B-units.



This means that 1 A-unit = 2.5 B-units.



Is this not the most simple and workable system? All this formulas make me sick :-(

Ken Avonts

Regent of the Islamic Republic of
Antverpia

http://users.pandora.be/ir-antverpia

[Zhaki the Dolphin]

Umm... why couldn't we just throw ALL those formulae away and use a very simple, capitalistic system? Like this:



A says to B: "I have 100 tymarks and I want to exchange them to 100 rials of yours."

B: "That won't happen. I'll be happy with 150 tymarks, though."

A: "What about 200 tymarks for 150 rials?"

B: "Fine with me."

 * A and B do an exchange of currency *



There could, of course, be directive currency exchange values, but since they would only be directive, we wouldn't really need to care about making them over-accurate and complicated. They could even be just the medium of the latest exchange rates between currencies.



The real value of this system would be that we could make all these complicated formulae work in "encapsulated", separate organizations. Let's assume, now, that the ICEO will come back some day. It would take part in the giant "roof" economic system as a single organisation; everybody would be able to choose whether to exchange currencies through the ICEO or through private investors. That way there'd be more possibilities for competition, too - everyone could start their own currency exchange company.



* Ari wishes he could figure out all this SQL stuff so that he could finally actually start the programming of the GIBS *

[Sander042802]

hmm.. true....  both methods seem cool. I dunno I ain't no economist.

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[Brendig45]

Yeah, although with the first method, it means that you have to go to the trouble of finding someone who owns the currency you want, then convincing them that they should sell them...



An easier method is through your second method, with currency exchange companies.. it means there is more money to work with and exchange.

Jeffrey Leong


Vizier of The Ministry of Trade and
Economics

Satrap of Kelestan

Sartip of the Imperial Babkhan Army

Ambassador to the LoSS


Kingdom of Babkha

[William Howard]

While the first provides stable and easy exchange rates, the second method is just as attractive.



In our economy for example there is no set amount of currency, mainly due to the fictional element. That means we could easily integrate with the second but might find it impossible to use the first without totally changing our system.

William Howard

Chairman

Republic of Baracão

"We have no alternative. We must continue dreaming, with the hope that the better world will become a reality -- as it will, if we keep struggling. Humanity should never renounce its dreams, its utopias. Struggling for utopia means, in part, building it"

[Sir Iain de Vembria]

If one could create for self-contained system that doesn't rely on external data, it would allow for an exchange standard of any degree of complexity. Don't forget that the whole point of an automated system is to take care of all the formulae so you don't have to worry about them.

Sir Iain
Knight-Councillor of The Barony of Treesia & Fabon,

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[Zhaki the Dolphin]

* tries his best to figure out STL (how pathetic) *



(I don't know whether C++ syntax is hirsute or elegant, but I'll probably need to learn to think outside the box to understand what's going on in www.infosys.tuwien.ac.at/.../prw22.htm ... and this isn't yet even STL...)

[Trevon Andarosel]

You're right. This can't be understood by reasonable men (or women), so you have to stop being reasonable. My c++ knowledge is a bit rusty, but I think they have defined a function type. If you make a declaration like

int a;, you have an integer variable named a. If you say (from the example)

less less_than_five(5);

you have a functioned of type less named less_than_five. In my opinion, this looks like very dirty programming, but my programming standards might be a bit oldfashioned... (I have never liked overloading of operators in C++, and pointers in C either).



Trevon

The storyteller of Ex, Umbagollah


Ilotim ilo arelisin il parduvile arelis te arelisin
The truth is just too true to be true for everyone

[Zhaki the Dolphin]

I think I've understood it now... Somewhat... It's still very weird, though.



Hmm. Nice tutorial. In part 4.1 I'm given exercises where iterators are used, in 4.2 iterators are explained :...

[Zhaki the Dolphin]

As a situation report... I've now read through an STL tutorial, the SQL manual and the MySQL++ API manual, so I know, in theory, pretty much all I need for SQL database integration into C++. JWCGI seems useful enough to be used as the CGI library (I've already tried MizCGI, cgipp and VBMcgi, and none of them fitted my needs). I've also set up a development box with Apache and a MySQL server at my summer workplace, so I'll be able to code and test stuff quickly on weekdays. On weekends I won't have access to development software.



Except an initial version Real Soon Now.  

[Trevon Andarosel]

Why so difficult? Can't you use CGI to get your data, PHP or PERL to process it, and SQL to put stuff in databases (or get it out of it, don't know what SQL actually does, infact).



Trevon.

The storyteller of Ex, Umbagollah


Ilotim ilo arelisin il parduvile arelis te arelisin
The truth is just too true to be true for everyone

[Sander042802]

i've been installing a lot of BB's lately so i know more or less what SQL and PHP do. It would be perfectly possible I think... And really cool  

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[Zhaki the Dolphin]

Trevon, you're a blockhead . My intention is (or at least was) this: I'd build a C++ application that would use the JWCGI library for decoding form data, setting cookies, maybe writing some HTML, etc, and MySQL++ for interfacing with the SQL server. Pretty much every web application that uses SQL works in this way - the languages and libraries used might change (if you're writing your application in PERL you will most probably use cgi.pm and the PERL DBI, if you used C you would use cgic and perhaps the libwww SQL API) but the basic idea's the same. You're essentially asking me to change the language I'll write the program in... Which might well happen, since I read a PHP manual last night and immediately fell in love in the straightforward session management.



Right now I'm trying to make the SQL API of PHP actually work by compiling PHP with my own options... with a 200 MHz / 32 MB machine :...